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Jul 2, 2021

Antwan Saca and Leor Roseman are two of the authors of the research paper Relational Processes in Ayahuasca Groups of Palestinians and Israelis. They are on the show to talk about that research and the complexities of conflict and conflict-resolution it explores.

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***Full Topics Breakdown Below***
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Episode Breakdown
  • Introducing the complexity of this topic
  • Why Leor and Antwan were called to doing this research
  • The dynamics in joint-space ayahuasca ceremonies with Israelis and Palestinians
  • Facing the elephant in the room
  • The role of cultural identities in the perpetuation of conflict
  • The power dynamic on the west bank is more than just a cultural narrative
  • The limitations of apolitical, individualistic "inner spirituality" narratives
  • The vital importance of anger in facing injustice
  • The challenge of integrating ayahuasca ceremonies (and conflict-resolution experiences) in the West Bank
  • Communitas: can it change an unjust political reality or does it keep that reality as it is through evading it?
  • Learning new ways of engaging the challenge of an unjust political reality that help encourage actual change
  • The danger of these ayahuasca ceremonies and conflict-resolution in the West Bank.
  • Drug stigma and the emergence of ayahuasca in Middle Eastern countries
  • Movements towards using local plants in Middle Eastern Ayahuasca brews
  • The different kinds of experiences reported
  • Unity-based connection (and criticism of the “individual spirituality" of perennial philosophy)
  • Recognition and difference-based connection
  • Conflict-related revelation
  • Awe and Silence
  • Paraverbal qualities of language
  • Delivery of conflict-related revelation and the need to ‘share the message’
  • Journalism and the complexity of reporting on ayahuasca ceremonies and conflict resolution in the West Bank
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